[A6] good andromeda kickdrums ...

[Chris Pickett]

Chad Gould wrote:
> On 11 Feb 2005 at 23:49, Chris Pickett wrote:
> 
>>I just can't seem to get a satisfying kick out of my andy.  Certainly 
>>nothing 909- or JoMoX-ish, 808 type things are possible.  Just always 
>>sounds a bit weak and blippy.  Maybe I'm approaching it wrong (I've gone 
>>through the T&T and am aware of the two general methods -- 1) 
>>self-oscillating filter and 2) sine wave with descending pitch env.).
>>How about you guys?
> 
> 
> The TR-909 type drum machines (the ones actually synthesized) are actually 
> composed of three oscillators:
> 
> (*) A sine wave (actually a wave-shapped sawtooth wave in the TR-909's case) 
> passed through an AR envelope (downward sweep)
> (*) A pulse wave "click"
> (*) A lo-pass filtered noise generator
> 
> (Reference: http://tinyurl.com/477n4 -- SOS article on TR-series)
> 
> I haven't tried, but I imagine you can do all but the pulse "click" with the Andromeda 
> pretty well in a single patch. The raw outputs from the sine wave would probably 
> work, this would allow you to add a LPF noise signal, and also give you the most 
> pure signal path so the filters can just handle noise.
> 
> You may want to make a "click" patch to mix in with this in mix mode. I have a feeling 
> this will help out on the blippiness.
> 
> Note: You *definitely* want to turn on ultra-fast envelopes from the engine optimizer 
> for these patches! "Normal" isn't going to cut it.
> 
> CoolColJ actually made some decent TR-type drum patches that are still on my 
> machine, if they aren't in any archives I can UL them. 

Thanks Chad, I had forgotten those patches.  And the suggestion about 
the mix mode is good -- AFAICT, this is somewhat of an overlooked way 
for getting complicated sounds out of an A6.  The ultra-fast envelopes 
on my A6 always seem to give this metallic sound upon release, but I'll 
go back to trying to work around it / filter them out.

Probably some sound clips from me are needed if I want further help.

Cheers,
Chris