[A6] A6 sine osc

Mon Mar 14 12:38:48 PST 2005

Fall of accountability?  Umm that shit has been going on for the last 10
years even with software....especially with digital hardware.  Anywhere you
look.  Digital, Analog, softsynths.  But for an analog to have all of this
right out of the gate w/ no fixes is pretty amazing.  But you know what
Alesis went under and things that could have been fixed are not going to get
fixed but even still bang for the buck it is great.  I am a picky bastard
when it comes to synths and gear in gen....I am not just some complacent
idiot that sings the praise of any synth I own.  I have been thru quite a
few digital and analog synths.  Way too many actually :)  Thanks for the
enlightenment but no thanks :)  Go the modular route if you want perfection
and see how much you would spend to get the same functionality w/ the A6.
Prob close to 10K.  No joke.  I have been there too.  And that is just for
one voice...hehe :)

Kurt Stengel
e.m. control
http://www.em-control.com
407-405-5112 (cell)

> From: Christopher W Deppe <cwd10 at psu.edu>
> Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 15:28:43 -0500
> To: Kurt Stengel <kstengel at cfl.rr.com>, <a6 at code404.com>
> Subject: RE: [A6] A6 sine osc
> 
> Somewhere there is a town missing its point. And this is that town :(
> 
> Oh well. I tried to enlighten you but you insist on letting companies like
> this get away with this S*&t just because you think It's great. Your reward
> for this noble effort will be a new generation of products that suffer from
> even worse quality control because you were willing to overlook it without
> holding them responsible. Well, I'm glad for you. Have fun, for you have
> contributed to the fall of manufacturing accountability and the rise of
> cheapness. Grip firmly gotten. :)
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: a6-bounces at code404.com [mailto:a6-bounces at code404.com] On Behalf Of Kurt
> Stengel
> Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 3:09 PM
> To: a6 at code404.com
> Subject: Re: [A6] A6 sine osc
> 
> Still amazes me that people gripe so much about a synth that does so friggin
> much, is analog, has 16 voices, 16 part multi, 2 configurable filters....one
> of them SEM multimode, the other a moog styled w/ self feedback resonance,
> mod matrix that kills anything out there analog and stands up to if not
> beats out most digital synths, analog distortion unit that can be modulated.
> Decent FX ...not pro but sometimes useable, arp and programmable seq that
> can be used and sync'd simultaneously, 3 amazingly configurable envelopes
> per stage, 3 lfo¹s and sample and hold w/ tons of mod options and syncable.
> Should I go on.  So what if the friggin sine wave is not perfect?  How does
> it sound? Great.  Especially if you want to put the work in.  Has a great
> keyboard...awesome controller.  Nice chunky knobs for a ton of the most
> immediate functions.  A kickass ribbon controller.  Get a grip dood.  Value
> for value the A6 rocks.  I have owned 3 of them and they all have been very
> solid w/ the exception of one that had a minor issue on the mainboard.  But
> these are analog boards and some probs and inconsistencies betw units are
> bound to happen.  For $2400 new it is still a bargain.  Even at $3K but who
> pays  that for it now anyways.  Used they go for $1800.  What a steal.  If
> the sound is not for you than so be it but don't tell me that feature for
> feature this thing does not have bang for the buck appeal.  No analog has
> ever been 16 multi ever that works the way it should.  Try Jomox Sunsyn and
> the Omega 8 for all the multi probs they have had and still have.  Makes no
> sense to me.  No synth is perfect and no synth will do everything incl the
> A6 but it is one amazing piece of hardware with great bang for the buck and
> I think most people agree except the ones that are apt to complain about
> everything anyways.  Sorry to sound so harsh but it just gets boring to hear
> all the little complaints about the A6.  If the sound is not cool to you
> then it is not for you but you dig the sound so why bitch about all the
> other little stuff?  It is what it is.  It aint gonna change so get over it
> already or sell it.
> 
> Kurt Stengel
> e.m. control
> http://www.em-control.com
> 407-405-5112 (cell)
> 
> 
> 
>> From: Christopher W Deppe <cwd10 at psu.edu>
>> Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 14:37:29 -0500
>> To: <a6 at code404.com>
>> Subject: FW: [A6] A6 sine osc
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Christopher W Deppe
>> Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 2:36 PM
>> To: 'jammer'
>> Subject: RE: [A6] A6 sine osc
>> 
>> I agree that it's power and unpredictability are what makes it
>> attractive for creativity, but what surprises me is that so many people
>> jump to defend a piece of equipment that has some serious reliability
>> issues and noticeable flaws. It provides lots of bang, but the buck part
>> is a bit steep for the quality. Would you feel the same if you bought
>> any other piece of equipment for almost three thousand bucks that has so
>> many issues? For instance, if I bought a prosumer video camera for the
>> same as what the A6 cost me, and it had noise issues, idiosyncratic
>> tendencies and reliability problems, I would send it back in a
>> heartbeat. You seem to not be able to separate power and quality with
>> regards to value. When paying that kind of money for ANYTHING, I expect
>> better quality. If this was any other product it would have been
>> recalled due to these issues. Don't get me wrong, I still love it. It is
>> the most powerful synth I have ever owned. I will be playing with it for
>> a very long time, but I have bought many items with a higher usability
>> to cost ratio in the past, hence the term value. If you are offended by
>> my practicality, I am truly sorry but I refuse to give a pass to
>> products that are this "troubled" just to justify a luxurious
>> expenditure.
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: jammer [mailto:jammer at jammer.biz]
>> Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 2:13 PM
>> To: Christopher W Deppe
>> Subject: Re: [A6] A6 sine osc
>> 
>> Christopher W Deppe wrote:
>>> Yea sure, it's nice to be able to get that harder edge but my problems
>>> is that, when I want to color the signal just a bit with sub osc or
>>> other subtle effect, I get that unwanted raspiness too. It makes it
>> very
>>> difficult and time consuming to tweak out the right sound. Sometimes I
>>> just give up because I can't get what I want from it. It would have
>> been
>>> nice if they had given just a bit more headroom before the distortion
>>> kills the effect. I see this as a flaw no matter how you try to shine
>> it
>>> up. Can I live with it? Yes, but that doesn't mean I have to like it.
>>> There sure are a lot of problems with the A6 design for what they are
>>> charging for it. In terms of value for the money, it does not rank up
>>> there with most of my other purchases. I will still keep it, but it
>> sure
>>> won't displace any of my other gear.
>> 
>> i'm so surprised to be hearing users saying things like this.
>> 
>> when i first got my a6 i was a little troubled by a few things.  i'm
>> also not ashamed to admit i was also a little daunted  by the beast.
>> but now, i'm finding it one hell of a useful piece of equipment.
>> 
>> i'm currently sketching out ideas for my next album, i've sketched out
>> about 6 ideas in the last two weeks and the A6 has already firmly
>> inserted itself into that workflow.  as far as i'm concerned almost
>> everything that falls out of it is useable.  it is a bit of a fecker at
>> times to get things out of it and really feel like your at the heart of
>> the thing, but then who said making music was easy?
>> 
>> i feel the same way about my juno 60 and waldorf pulse.  they are great
>> sounding and very playable, they just take time.  i still don't feel
>> totally in control of the A6 but then i'm also unsure if i ever want to
>> be, surprise is a great thing in the studio ... who wants things to be
>> 100% predictable?
>> 
>> -- 
>> jammer
>> www.jammer.biz
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