[A6] Re: [AH] Re: Moog/A6 - Final Tally!

[diegoeskryptic at highstream.net]

Damn, this will go down in history!!!
----- Original Message -----
From: "F.A.S. Truhan III" <vampeiyre at earthlink.net>
To: "A6 List" <a6 at code404.com>
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 10:44 PM
Subject: [A6] Re: [AH] Re: Moog/A6 - Final Tally!


> > !! Who thought the first was the A6?
>
> I'm glad you asked that question. Here's the detailed answers anyone can
> check the archive for (like I just did):
>
> In chronological order:
>
> Pat (enmach at aol.com) Picks sample one (MiniMoog), thinks it's probably the
> A6, but doesn't totally commit a guess.
>
> Matthew Davidson (matthew at blank.org) Picked A6 as better sounding clip,
> does not guess which synth is which.
>
> Paul Wagorn (paul at wagorn.com) Picks A6 as better sounding clip, and
> incorrectly guessing it's the Mini, says "The first sounds like my a6 &
the
> second sounds like my mini no doubt about it".
>
> Chuck (vogelcheiss at vogelcheiss.com) Does not pick which is better, but
> thinks the Mini is the A6, saying: "Yeah, I'd assign the first to the A6
> based on the narrowness and relative non-thump of the attack." He later on
> very gently tries to wiggle out of his previous vote, but it's too late
> mwahahaha. ;)
>
> Ryan Lunenfeld (Ahal3001 at hotmail.com), Who I might add is known to hate
the
> A6 after owning it, says it's not his programming skills, says it is the
> fault of A6's sub-par sound, picks....can you guess it folks?
> He picks the Andromeda 6 as the winner! He states: "I agree with Matthew,
I
> also really prefer the 2nd one. the first one sounds like it distorts too
> much premixer the sounds aren't too similar imho.. they seem actually
quite
> different? hrm i just really don't like the first one lol:-) if it's the
> mini, it's a bad mini!:-D"
> You don't say Ryan, you don't say? By the way, thanks for the great new
> e-mail sig. I will treasure it for a long time to come :)
>
> I (Fast - vampeiyre at earthlink.net) Pick Mini as sounding better by a
narrow
> margin, but I think it's the A6! Whoa! I pick Mini (thinking it's A6) as
> having a sharper attack, saying A6 has too much low-bass, the sort of
which
> I cut 1-3db off of to make room for drums in my tunes.
>
> Matrix (matrixsynth at hotmail.com) Picks Mini as winner, but does not guess
> which synth is which.
>
> Fiercefish (fiercefish at btinernet.com) Picks the Mini as the better synth,
> but thinks it is the A6.
>
> Oh (ohersch at web.de) Doesn't guess which synth is which, but says first
clip
> (Mini) sounds like a 4-pole filter whereas second (A6) sounds like a
2-pole
> filter. I'm guessing this is his non-committal way of saying clip one
> sounds better without having to commit to a solid guess and being
> embarrassed if he's wrong? ;) Just kidding OH, thanks for playing!
>
> Geoff Moehrke (gmoehrke at execpc.com) Picks first clip (Mini) but does not
> guess which synth is which.
>
> Doof (doof at deepflux.com) - Picks first clip (Mini), does not guess which
> synth is which, and remarks on difference being very subtle.
>
> David Bartz (bartzomatic at toast.net) Guesses after the fact, but has the
> guts to admit he picked the A6 as sounding better, thinking it is the
Mini.
> Jeff Farr (moogah at gmail.com) is disqualified, for bravely proclaiming the
> Mini the winner, but doing so ONLY AFTER the answer has already been
> revealed ;)
>
> Scott Metzger (scottmeztzger3d at hotmail.com), the fellow who inspired the
> contest, did not make a guess (I know that makes ME wonder) and after the
> fact states: "I don't think this is the best sound test to compare..."
> Since it was a random sound from a random source, why is it not a good
> sound test? Isn't that EXACTLY what a blind (err.....deaf) test is?
> He further states: "When I get home I will record a bass patch from the
> voyager. and then someone can try to replicate it with the andy. I don't
> think you will come ever close to the Voyager."
> Well Scott, we already did that. :) And, of all the people who voted, it
> was an even split, so we KNOW the A6 can get EXTREMELY close, some people
> MISTAKING IT for the MiniMoog.
> So then, why is it you didn't make a guess til after the answer was
> revealed...? I picked the Mini as better, thinking it was the A6,
> ironically because I thought the MiniMoog had less bass and more bright
> bite.
> How about, if you DO make some bass patches to see if an A6 can match
them,
> you mail them only to me or someone else with an A6 to try and match them,
> and then we'll send them to a third party to host, and we'll let people
> again blindly pick which is which? Since it's so obvious to you the
Voyager
> will win, you'll have nothing to lose doing it that way, right? That way
we
> can also make sure that you won't automatically declare the A6 the loser
> not matter what, since putting out the challenge and being the only voter
> would give you all the cards, wouldn't it?
> Or perhaps with more intelligence and maturity we can just forget another
> 'test' and not waste our time, since this will never end no matter what
> anyone does or guesses, you trying to start a new test proving that quite
> well.
> To me, this is highly reminiscent of the debate on Pro Sound Web, where a
> blind test was made to see what sounded better, Tape or Pro-Tools, and
> Steve Albini whined after the fact that it was a draw.
>
> So to count that, it's an effective tie.
> MiniMoog as better synth? 5 votes.
> A6 as better synth? 4 votes.
> HOWEVER:
> 3 explicitly stated they thought MiniMoog clip was the Andromeda 6 clip.
> 4 explicitly stated they thought the Andromeda 6 clip was the MiniMoog
clip.
> 2 people's votes are not being counted since they did not vote until AFTER
> the answer was revealed.
>
> Due to the nature of the results, (Mini got more votes for better synth,
A6
> BEING GUESSED AS THE MINI by more people) it's likely fair to say both are
> functionally equal as bass synths, and no one will be able to pick which
is
> which in a fully mixed tune.
> It's also fair to say that since LESS THAN A DOZEN people submitted a
guess
> on a list with SEVERAL HUNDRED subscribers, the VAST MAJORITY of people
who
> praise the "Almighty Mini" and trash the "Overhyped A6" don't have the
> courage of their convictions (see: bravery) to make a committed guess
which
> is which in a blind test. Or maybe more people actually do work at
> work...nah! : P
> It's also fair to say some people have been given something to think
about,
> since 4 people thought the A6 was the Mini, and 3 people thought the Mini
> was the A6. Most of them saying rather negative things about the Mini
while
> thinking they were trashing the A6. Isn't that right Ryan? ;)
> So in the end, it is as it always was: Use what works for you (for more
> concrete reasons or merely imaginary ones) and damn anyone else who
> disagrees with you ;)
>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>FasT>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>              "Hrm i just really don't like the first one lol:-) if it's
the
> mini, it's a bad mini!:-D" - Ryan Lunenfeld picking the Andromeda 6 over
> the MiniMoog. DOH!
>
>
>
>
>
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