[A6] RE: Neuron (ot)

[Rhen, Kris]

> I don't think the Neuron uses models in the way physical 
> modelling synths
> do. With a physicall model, you model the effect of modifying certain
> "real"  attributes of the physical object you are modelling. 
> For instance
> on a string model, you can vary the length of the string(s) or you can
> vary the angle of the pick you use to hit the strings etc ...

The only difference again is that physical models are hard coded
mathematical models meant to reproduce the nuances of a physical instrument.
The Neuron models are mathematical models that are arrived at, not by hard
coding models of physical traits, but by neural modeling.  You are right
that it has no sense of what is being modeled, but in the current synth
world, the physical modeling synths are 'most like' the Neuron in terms of
approach that I can explain (thus why the Neuron is so 'innovative').  Once
the model maker software makes its model and its imported into the Neuron,
AT THAT POINT, it has no more idea of what the physical thing its modeling
is than the Z1 (i.e. once 'completed' the Z1 physical models are nothing
more than math - as are the neuron's)  That's all I was meaning when I made
the comparison.  Hope that clears it up.
KRIS

> You compared the Neuron to a Z1 with an infinite number of 
> models. I don't
> agree at all. Unless you can take a large number of samples which are
> recordings of the original sound with variations on certain 
> aspects of the
> sound and map these variations to controls on the synth, you 
> can't make
> that comparison.

That's basically my understanding of exactly what modelmaker does.  How else
would it build models from multiple samples and 'figure out' the model that
created them?

> Not only do I think that isn't actually possible with the 
> Neuron but it
> would also take so much work that it would be completely 
> pointless. (It
> isn't for nothing that Korg arn't releasing new models for 
> the Z1 every month or so ...)

Actually, one of the preset models on the Neuron IS a PWM model ;-)

KRIS