[A6] RE: A6 Digest, Vol 95, Issue 7

Wed Jul 9 12:58:48 PDT 2003

One of the reasons I have not updated to SX from VST32.  I don't think I
have any problems editing NRPN's in that version of the software.  Has this
changed for SX?  

Kurt

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   1. Re: Re: NRPN Again (Larry Pham)
   2. A6 stuck notes... (dan thouin)
   3. Re: A6 stuck notes... (Robert van der Kamp)
   4. backing up A6 data on win2000 (Richard)
   5. Re: backing up A6 data on win2000 (Tom Moravansky)
   6. Re: backing up A6 data on win2000 (analoguediehard at att.net)
   7. Re: backing up A6 data on win2000 (Richard)
   8. Re: NRPN Again (Protokol)

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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 22:14:50 -0400
From: "Larry Pham" <alienpsyche at rogers.com>
Subject: Re: [A6] Re: NRPN Again
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Oh man, it looks like NRPN editing will take a while to get a firm grasp on.
Thanks for all the info guys. Just curious, which sequencer do you guys use?
Does it have NRPN editing capabilities? I have been told that with Sonar,
NRPN's can be drawn in just as easily as CC's. I use SX  and I will be
defineltey asking for NRPN editing capabilites for future updates.

L.

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Subject: [A6] Re: NRPN Again

> > ... i actually wanted to reverse the sweep so it starts from open and
ends
> > in the closed position. Rather then have to setup another track and go
> > through the entire process again, I tried to just draw it in as it would
> > have been easier.
> >
>
> There's a lot of sequencers that can also reverse MIDI events as a
process,
> rather than actually going in and editing.
>
> NRPN editing is pretty nightmarish if the editor cannot translate between
> the format of MIDI, and the resolution needed.
>
> Although Robert gave a good rundown, I'm going to just revisit the topic
to
> reinforce it:
>
> I might be giving redundant information, but it's interesting stuff that
> maybe someone will find useful.  With 7 bits, you get 128 steps of
> resolution (2 to the power of 7).  But, NRPNs increase resolution by
> stacking bits, so instead of 7 you can get 14 bits.  With 14 bits, you get
> 16,384 steps of resolution.  Unfortunately, MIDI was built with the
> short-sightedness of using 7 bits, so those 16,384 steps need to be split
> into 128 discrete steps that in themselves hold 128 steps.  Almost like if
> you had a ruler with 128 meters, and then drew 128 lines between each
meter
> mark or line.  The Most Significant Bits (MSBs) would represent the meter
> marks in this example, and the Least Significant Bits (LSBs) would
represent
> the 128 lines between the meter marks.  It is common practice, as Robert
> mentioned, to use 2 MIDI bytes (using only 7 of the bits for data) for
> Pitchwheel.  The resolution is still 16384, but pitch goes up AND down,
> which leaves only 8192 steps for the UP and DOWN, which is 16384 divided
by
> 2.  Although the PitchWheel parameter is an RPN (Registered Parameter
> Number), because it is a common MIDI parameter that can be used among many
> MIDI instruments.  While an NRPN (Non-Registered Parameter Number) is not
> common and usually specific to that particular instrument.
>
> As you can probably see the system could allow further stacking of bits to
> achieve even higher resolution.  This is important, because I think the
> Andromeda uses 3 Midi Bytes for a non-standard NRPN.  I'm not exactly
sure,
> but the last time I recorded event information there were more than 2
> Controller messages being sent (and I cannot imagine Alesis using more
than
> 21 bits of resolution).  Having 3 Midi Bytes would be 128 steps * 128
steps
> * 128 steps = 2,097,152 steps... Wow!  Almost like you grabbed that Meter
> stick once again and drew 128 microscopic lines between all the original
128
> lines you drew between all the 128 meter lines.  Which, by the way, would
> probably take you over a month and a half if you drew them at a rate of a
> line every 2 seconds with no rest or sleep.  Maybe drawing lines is not
such
> a good idea come to think of it ;0)
>
> -proto-
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 22:15:12 -0400
From: "dan thouin" <danielthouin at hotmail.com>
Subject: [A6] A6 stuck notes...
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My andromeda seems to behave weirdly sometimes..
After playing and scrolling through sounds it holds a note and it does not 
want to shut up until I turn it off!
Any help
Thanks
Dan

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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 07:42:03 +0200
From: Robert van der Kamp <robnet at wxs.nl>
Subject: Re: [A6] A6 stuck notes...
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On Wednesday 09 July 2003 04:15, dan thouin wrote:
> My andromeda seems to behave weirdly sometimes..
> After playing and scrolling through sounds it holds a
> note and it does not want to shut up until I turn it off!

My first Andro behaved like that as well. I returned it. 
I hope you didn't get that one. ;)

I just received #3, btw.

- Robert

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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 13:52:42 +0100
From: "Richard" <richard at chorlton.com>
Subject: [A6] backing up A6 data on win2000
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A6 banker does not work with win2000 - freeloader is a PITA - is therea a
better way?

Richard

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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 06:18:22 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tom Moravansky <tom at synthservices.com>
Subject: Re: [A6] backing up A6 data on win2000
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On Wed, 9 Jul 2003, Richard wrote:

> 
> A6 banker does not work with win2000 - freeloader is a PITA - is therea a
> better way?
> 
Go low-level and use MIDI-Ox to just capture raw dumps?

You don't have the luxury of being able to rearrange and sort
individual sections out of the dump like with some librarians,
but at least you can easily do bulk dumps and reloads.

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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 14:05:08 +0000
From: analoguediehard at att.net
Subject: Re: [A6] backing up A6 data on win2000
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> A6 banker does not work with win2000 - freeloader is a PITA - is therea a
> better way?

Yup.  Upgrade to Windows 3.11, my old 486 is still running like a champ for
MIDI
sequencing and sysex dumps.

MC
> 
> A6 banker does not work with win2000 - freeloader is a PITA - is therea a
> better way?
> 
> Richard
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 15:19:34 +0100
From: "Richard" <richard at chorlton.com>
Subject: Re: [A6] backing up A6 data on win2000
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thanks for nothing diehard!

but I gotta say the only reliable computer I've ever had was a 300mhz P2
with win98 v1 witha asoundblaster gold audio/midi card. I put every piece of
shitty software in the the universe on it, never cleaned the registry, never
had a problem, it still runs smoothly

since then

I live in PC hell

Richard

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> > A6 banker does not work with win2000 - freeloader is a PITA - is therea
a
> > better way?
>
> Yup.  Upgrade to Windows 3.11, my old 486 is still running like a champ
for MIDI
> sequencing and sysex dumps.
>
> MC
> >
> > A6 banker does not work with win2000 - freeloader is a PITA - is therea
a
> > better way?
> >
> > Richard
> >
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 12:59:48 -0400
From: "Protokol" <protokol13 at hotmail.com>
Subject: [A6] Re: NRPN Again
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From: "Larry Pham" <alienpsyche at rogers.com>

> Oh man, it looks like NRPN editing will take a while to get a firm grasp
on.
> Thanks for all the info guys. Just curious, which sequencer do you guys
use?
> Does it have NRPN editing capabilities? I have been told that with Sonar,
> NRPN's can be drawn in just as easily as CC's. I use SX  and I will be
> defineltey asking for NRPN editing capabilites for future updates.
>

Actually you don't really have to get quite as deep into NRPN editing and
technical specs if the sequencer does it automatically.  I only got deep
into MIDI, because I used to program applications that utilized it, and even
then I'm still unsure of a lot of the standards.

I am surprised that Cubase SX would not have easier NRPN editing.  I use
Sonar, so I cannot help you with that.  I haven't even tried NRPN editing in
Sonar either.

-proto-

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